I dream of the end of paid or forced human labor. People should do whatever they want. I bet no one wants to commute to the crowded office for another teams call.
Indeed. People can paint, write, have hobbies, or whatever else for fun, but why be forced to for any reason? Or expect that there should always be a market for your work, under pain of law?
Check how many power plants, how many dams, how many book producing facilities, how many theatres are being destroyed by each side. It's clear who has started a new round and continue genocidal war. Russians had tried to erase Ukrainian etnic identity for centuries.
I have 300 bits of information in rude direct form with some obscene language as well. I ask LLM to wrap it into a nice polite message. Resulted 1000 bits are sent in the email.
I bet no one would like to get direct rude "source" instead.
> I bet no one would like to get direct rude "source" instead.
You bet wrongly. Rudeness carries information.
“Fucking hell, how many times have I asked you to XYZ” is different from “G’day gov’nor, terribly sorry to bother you. May I remind you to XYZ? Would you mind doing so at your earliest convenience? My deepest regards, toodeloo”.
The former conveys urgency and annoyance while the former conveys that you can keep ignoring it (and straining the relationship).
The latter (with its twisted mix of Australian, Cockney and Kings English) carries a calm sarcastic tone which indicates ones displeasure far more than the former, more vulgar statement, could ever hope to achieve.
One is however, reminded that Americans simply don't get our sarcasm, frequently leading to some amusing cultural clashes.
If you equate sarcasm with ease of offence, you are very much mistaken.
Regardless, in Blighty, such sarcasm is by no means twisted and indirect. It is as plain as the nose on ones face. As I said earlier, many Americans simply don't get such sarcasm, leading to comic clashes of culture.
Strongly disagree on that last part. Unlike software engineering, where training is nearly non-existent and we expect everyone to show to their first job interview knowing about the big-O complexity of sorting algorithms, traditional manufacturing has a robust tradition of apprenticeship and training on the job.
It also has much better and more predictable hours than, say, the ever-popular gaming industry.
You're right that low pay is an issue, but pay is crap in part because of outsourcing. Any machine shop in the US is competing with China to an extent that, oddly, we don't actually see in the software space. The West is mostly using Western-made software, and outside of that, only India is invited to the club (and even that only as a subcontractor).
But a lot of it is also just culture / parenting. Every parent wants their kid to become a software engineer, a lawyer, or a doctor. There's basically zero pride in being a machinist.
>But a lot of it is also just culture / parenting. Every parent wants their kid to become a software engineer, a lawyer, or a doctor. There's basically zero pride in being a machinist.
I disagree.
A lot of people, nerds (and me) included, would see no problem in taking an operational role inside manufacturing if it paid a livable wage and offered a career.
But somehow people still act shocked when nobody wants to work a job that pays retail wages.
>> traditional manufacturing has a robust tradition of apprenticeship and training on the job.
We also have such tradition. Senior software engineers are teaching juniors.
Would tradition manufacturing employ an apprentice without knowledge about the tools and materials? I doubt that. Everyone now wants to get a senior employee with 20y of experience and pay junior rates.
Probably not. Plumbing pays pretty well and it's almost never a parent's dream. It's probably below being an office assistant. We just attached a stigma to everything blue collar (= "uneducated").
Plumbing does not pay well for the average plumber. Not doctor-well at least, which is what you are responding to.
Can some plumbers make good money? Absolutely. But you need to do dirty, body-breaking work for years.
There’s nothing wrong with being a plumber and it’s a profession we surely need young people to go into. But the pay and trade offs vs a white color job will lean heavily in direction of the latter.
Being a plumber pays acceptably, not well. Being a plumbing business owner can pay well, but would have less catchet than a doctor making the same amount, sure, but it's also far less common.
There is a lot more demand for software engineers and doctors. (I'm not sure about lawyers - it used to be good, but last I heard it wasn't as good) The world doesn't need many machinists anymore since CNC can do such a good job. The world needs people to design the parts the CNC makes though - often in the past you would take that to a machinist to design on the machine, now you need to know CAD.
> Every parent wants their kid to become a software engineer, a lawyer, or a doctor.
Uh, what? Both sides of my family is nine aunties/uncles, and my parents. None of them pressured their children to select a specific career or even major in university. I think my experience is fairly common.
> There's basically zero pride in being a machinist.
I cringe when I see the term "pride" used this way. Would you say that to a career machinist? I wouldn't. When I was growing up, I can still remember my elementary school bus driver named Barbara. She really took pride in driving our bus everyday, but was probably paid peanuts.
If you don't attend university, being a machinist is skilled labour that pays well. Plus, you can continuously self-educate to climb into more and more skilled roles that pay more. The salary is solidly middle class, and the work is probably in areas with a low cost of living.
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