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Huawei uses their own non-standard HBM called HiZQ probably not produced by CXMT.

The BYD is sold in Europe but there is higher VAT and a special EU Chinese car import tax - so these cars are about 20k euro.

There is also the Renault Twingo which is in the same class.


The tax is only on electric cars, vehicles with a combustion engine are excempt - that's why you see all those ads for BYD Hybrids now.

Elsewhere in the thread you claim there are no BYD cars in the EU, yet here you're an expert on the taxes BYD pays in the EU.

I checked the Twingo and it is starting at €16k and an Opel Corsa (without any options) is more than €19k

In Danish media the new deal is widely being presented as a huge diplomatic victory for Denmark.

Who owns the media? Almost all German press is somehow owned by American companies.

On what grounds? The US didn't just take Greenland?

That what Trump got, was basically what could been negotiated by just asking nicely years ago. So lot of drama for nothing

They have tried 'asking nicely' but Denmark had been playing the independence card, claiming any deal would have to involve Greenlandic consent.

Last year's US-Denmark military basing agreement excluded Greenland for this 'reason'.

But both sides knew this was a deflection as Denmark has military and foreign relations responsibility for its "non-colony".

The US got fed up, pushed harder and apparently got what they wanted.


That part didn't change. The deal will only be in force once it has been formally ratified by the US, Denmark, and Greenland.

The constitutional status of Greenland's autonomy is somewhat unclear. If Danish parliament had the will, it's plausible that it could force a deal on Greenland by changing the relevant laws. But it's also likely that overcoming all the legal and constitutional obstacles would take years. Changing the constitution might actually be faster, but even that would involve general elections and a referendum.


Usually when someone threatens you they should get less, if anything.

What did the US give up in the deal from its side?

In the sense that it is for practical purposes the same deal as before.

Also Denmark does not want to go to war with the US - something that was considered a real scenario just a few months back when the Danes moved an unusual large military force to the island.


So it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me that Denmark should be celebrating the deal as a big win then does it? The US has gained, however much you belittle those gains, and Denmark gained what?

The US under Trump is seen a bit like a good strong friend who has gotten way too much to drink and wants to pick fights with everybody - giving him a symbolic win to avoid embarrassment is the right to do.

Anyways that’s the sentiment - you can look at dr.dk and similar via google translate if you want.


Got it yea so in the US our sentiment is a bit different. Denmark and the EU are kind of like that great friend who is always bumming a ride off of you and you've been saying hey look you're my best friend but I just can't keep going out of my way to pick you up. You've got a car, stop spending all your money partying and put gas in it and drive yourself and you keep picking them up and then you tell them I'm going to stop on this date you better have a ride. And then when you stop they're really mad at you because they think they're entitled to your car and you picking them up.

Same thing with Greenland. Sometimes you've got to force the issue and it makes your friend mad and they go around calling all their other friends and trying to hang out and bum rides, only to realize that you were right all along and they have to get their act together.


You guys make more sense when you are not drunk.

That's what you earlier comment sounded like to me. If you believe mine sounded as you described, your comment also sounds like you describe.

thats the jd vance part of the administrations sentiment, sure. but if trump changes his mind tmr, so will the maga base. there is no coherent philosophy here. america first is whatever trump says it is

The US has been in Greenland, and have had complete military control with it, for many decades. Doing its time there it has conducted a number of activities with very little regard for the people living there or the broader environment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash

(Accidental crash causing the (non-nuclear) explosion of 3 hydrogen bombs and the loss of a 4th.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm

(A network of mobile nuclear missile launch sites under the Greenland ice sheet.)

However after the cold war US activity there has been cut to a single base with just over 100 men.

So with the re-newed interest and a willigness to seriously mess up the NATO alliance - what does the US want in Greenland this time around?

Minerals, data centers, launch rockets into space, prepare for climate change, maybe something with the northern sea route?

It is very unclear.


US activities in Greenland have always been about strategic defense.

This latest enterprise likely has to do with a strategic missile defense system.


Or random spastic zone flooding. At this point the odds of a motivation being normal or rational are way below 50%.

> US activities in Greenland have always been about strategic defense.

Yes.

This is multifaceted, but my understanding is about control of the artic circle as the shipping lanes open up due to ice loss, and as a staging location for arms and supplies for forward deployed units in the northern hemisphere. Probably also some long range radars for better drone detection.


>The US has been in Greenland, and have had complete military control with it, for many decades.

Not quite.

They needed authorization from Denmark for establishing bases and the agreement was contingent on the North Atlantic Treaty.

This new deal has neither constraints.

The power before was broad but this expands it.


No - the US could always do what they wanted - also in the old deal.

No. Again, it required Danish agreement and was contingent on the North Atlantic Treaty.

From 1951:

> “ In order that the Government of the United States of America as a party to the North Atlantic Treaty may assist the Government of the Kingdom of Denmark by establishing and/or operating such defense areas as the two Governments, on the basis of NATO defense plans, may from time to time agree to be necessary for the development of the defense of Greenland and the rest of the North Atlantic Treaty area, and which the Government of the Kingdom of Denmark is unable to establish and operate singlehanded …”

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/den001.asp

And 2004:

>“Thule Air Base is the only defense area in Greenland. The provisions of Article II of the Defense Agreement shall apply to the establishment of new defense areas.”

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/04-806-Denm...


Take a look at those Wikipedia pages I posted - do you the Danes or the Greenlanders ok’ed any of those things?!

> So with the re-newed interest and a willigness to seriously mess up the NATO alliance - what does the US want in Greenland this time around?

This assumes the US has a plan. It's a bold assumption.


I think (perhaps naively) that we do have a plan? Regardless, I have been trying to tell people in my life that the "really truly scary outcome" is not "what if everything falls apart" but "what if this works?"

I was thinking about this last night. I think the goal is "spheres of influence and Monroe doctrine stuff" and troublingly i think we might end up with more annexations in the next little bit.


If the US wanted to have more military control in Denmark, it wouldn't need this sort of ridiculous dance and a new deal.

It always could put military bases in Greenland. NATO was a thing, and Denmark never really bothered itself much with US military bases there. Greenland was not annexed by the US.

This is pretty much the same shit with the Iran war, the US now is scrambling to convince Iran to open the strait of Hormuz, just to get things in the same state they were before the war started.


> It always put military basses in Greenland

I don't think this is unilaterally true, from the first glance at this, it appears to be significantly more capability...


If the USA kept the status quo of being an ally it would never be a problem. It could only be a problem if the USA was hostile so the Danes could block additional bases (which had never happened, the USA built multiple bases in Greenland during the Cold War).

Leaving only one reason for wanting to rip apart the old agreement: in case the USA wasn't an ally anymore.


I mean, I ain't saying you're wrong. I don't like it, but the idea of non-transactional international relations is probably over...

> what does the US want in Greenland this time around?

Trump is a spectacular disaster on the domestic front, so the best he has is trying to bully other countries to make the worst Americans feel better that they're domineering someone (this is a Republican strategy as old as time). It's not unlike Putin and Russia, where a has been has a population that desperately tries to regain something from the past, however self-destructive and stupid it all is.

None of this nonsense, from the coup in Venezuela, to the impossibly stupid trade war with Canada, to destroying soft power worldwide, benefits the US at all. But it's all just for the presentation to an idiocracy (speaking specifically to Trump's base).


"... such a different approach where you have to be specific about what you want and which options are open" --- back to where we started ...

Which few to none seem to have understood why, and they do not incorporate, composing their requests with implied information any AI must guess what the hell this request is talking about. Look for and replace implied information with explicit information (that does not have to be detailed, just the correct non-casual language loaded with implied context.)

Not sure on that, maybe the options to choose from will be generated and curated. Same as we do with tagging datasets for images. Might be wildly successful for real world decisions.

Yes - I am old enough to remember the Biden admin’s October 7th sanctions, and the chatter about the US having another unipolar moment.

Of course it is - how else could Huawei and a number smaller companies compete with NVIDIA.

Basically signed by all currently living Fields medal holders that are not on payroll of Anthropic or OpenAI.

How about making a police report.

Maybe there is some truth in that reselling Claude subscriptions/trials/api bundles via third parties breaks Anthropic's ToS. The rest is putting a maximum spin on it in order to achieve the political goal of banning Chinese AI. Anthropic is a highly ideological company and they are convinced that they are just in what they pursuit.

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