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Tangential; I love the style drop down.

Revolut has a history of being both halfarsed and shady

in 2018 they turned off basic money laundering detection

in 2019 they used job applicants as free labour to get people to sign up.

in 2023 they didn't freeze accounts they were supposed to when asked by the NCA (the uk's equivalent of the FBI, kinda)

again in 2024 they came bottom in the league table for reported fraud(action fraud). They had 10k reports, ahead of barclays, which at the time had a much large amount of active users.

Again in 2024, they also had the highest push payment fraud reports. now, this _could_ be bad controls, user incompetence, or data leak. it could be argued that they were part of the reason for the rule changes, meaning that banks are now 50/50 liable for this kind of fraud.

Either way, they have a history of being shady/incompetent/bastards. They've also only been a fully licensed bank for ~6 months.


That's some background. Thanks.

My speculative mental model so far was: They fired the dept which was handling those "emails" and did let some agents handle it. Which backfired and seems to fit that history you presented.


Revolut is also run by a Russian with deep connections to wartime Russian elites, starting with his dad, who heads the biggest Gazprom R&D center.

Yeah, not sure if Revolut is the fintech that's portrayed in the last season of The Industry.


> been a fully licensed bank for ~6 months

They had an EU license in Lithuania for years.


Not a bank until 2018

And they clearly figured that was easier than going through the UK where they had previously been licensed


No, they had a standard bank license, no different than any other bank operating in the country. Of course it was only valid in the EU not Britain.

https://www.lb.lt/en/news/banking-licence-granted-to-revolut...

edit: Comment no longer makes much sense after the one above was edited


my understanding is the full licences was only granted in 2021 in the eea and 2026 in the UK

They had an emi license before .

7-8 years surely qualify as "for years"?

Only one of them is directly harmful to users (the job applicant scheme). Everything else is enabling their own users to break the law only if they want to, and I think that is a good public service.

Of course it might hurt legit users by making other banks treat Revolut as suspicious but im not sure if thats enough to outweigh the positive. Data breaches and cancelation fees, on the other hand...


> Only one of them is directly harmful to users

You do understand what push fraud is right? One person lost ~£160k, a large chunk of it waiting for a human to answer.

also, its not like there aren't alternatives.


> world join hands and agree not to compete with each other

We kinda do for other areas.

Largely the world agrees not to pirate software, tv, other IP.

THe issue of joblessness is well understood in china, they know that jobless people means a drop in living standards, a drop in living standards means the "contract" has failed.

So it makes sense that countries like america and the constituents of the EU understand that loosing 10% of all jobs in a few years is going to be a massive dick punch.

I also I think that finally the historians and economic types havae got through to the dipshit billionaire that they only have money because the plebs are spending money. If the plebs are unemployed and unemployable, they (the billionaires) are going to be lynched.


> If the plebs are unemployed and unemployable, they (the billionaires) are going to be lynched.

Hence the robot dogs


China belongs to Taiwan if you want to go down that route.

Why should the UK have any agreement with France, who for so long agitated and sponsored terorism in the UK?

Or germany that tried to invade not so long ago?

Or russia that killed parts of our royal family?

Times change, and the point about the treaty was guaranteeing the rights of the people that lived in the place now. In the same way that signing an extradition treaty with germany is about allowing citizens to enforce rights. (rather than an exploitative regime using it to punish political dissidents had it been in place in 1936)

the treaty meant that instead of having to evacuate all the hongkongers (only a small amount were "truly native") leading to a huge economic collapse and negating the entire point of getting the land back (and the island that was annexed through good old fashioned cannon)


> How they got the lease in the first place is another matter.

Are you suggesting that flooding a country with opium so that the ruling classes would sell them tea, causing huge addiction, is somehow immoral?

Its not the british empires finest moment. mind you, france, portugal and the USA were very happy to collude with us to get decent trading terms.

(hence why there are some really well preserved portugese style neighbourhoods in Macau )


> Taiwan should take note

It always had. The problem for them is that Trump is a bad ally. Their strategy is/was provide economic benefits to USA in return for a looming presence.

the implication being, don't try it china, its not possible, you'll lose too many people.

However thats not so much of a threat, partly because china has better anti-aircraft carrier weapons and partly because the US military has forgotten (well more accurately has fired the people who know) how to do logistics.


> In real world systems

A poet can beauty in any language.


which is why the bit thats sourcing the heat/cold is outside your house. it either has a massive radioator and fan, or pipes undergorund to source/sink the heat

But apple have always been like that

Its the reality distortion field. (this term comes from the register)

The original iphone was full of tradeoffs that made it not a great phone at launch. It had no apps, it had no copy paste, it had no 3g, it had no flash.

The browser was good (apart from the lack of flash) and the touch screen was good. The big reason why it became a behemoth is that it had great music support, and it was fashionable.

The apps, and the thing that actually drove it to monster success only really happened because the public gave them the benefit of the doubt (and developers changed their products to fit)


> Its the reality distortion field. (this term comes from the register)

It actually comes right from Apple. Andy Hertzfeld, an early Apple employee, has claimed it was originally said in 1981 by another employee, Bud Tribble, to describe Steve Jobs. It was supposedly a reference to Star Trek.


The capacitive multitouch screen and the software/gestures to go with it was what made the iPhone a success. All the other feature phones of the time were so much less pleasant to use - I had one, the Nokia N95. On paper it destroyed an iPhone. In practice, it was clunky and annoying to use.

> The big reason why it became a behemoth is that it had great music support, and it was fashionable.

No, it was the touchscreen and new UI paradigms.


> The original iphone was full of tradeoffs that made it not a great phone at launch.

Hard disagree. It was a great phone. The only disadvantage was battery life, if you were a heavy phone user you needed to charge it to get through the day, but as a phone itself (phoning/messaging people) it was delightful!

Look at the clip here of Steve scrolling through contacts like it is butter and the awe of the audience: On other phones large contact lists were cumbersome.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/9kahkr/11_years_ago_...

Than visual voicemail! On other phones you called into voicemail and had to hear sequentially through all. With At&t Apple had the unique feature that one can scroll selectively through voice mails.

Of course the second iPhone 3G with the wjooshing sounding light saber app and the app were a beer is poured out made it cultural viral. And then Apple noticed withe the 4/4S that a good camera in your pocket was THE must have killer feature (especially for the women and newborn parent demographics). But the first model was a great tool for just phoning people.


If what you said was true then all the other companies in existence at that time Microsoft, Blackberry, Palm and Nokia should’ve been able to easily answer the challenge and kick Apple to the curb but they could not because they were so far behind…

The area where all the other existing foldable phones are dead in the water is the OS software integration with the hardware and unlike the first time around, they are competing with Apple that has four other ecosystems that can interface with the new phone seamlessly.

And more importantly, all the developers who bothered to follow most of the rules will have most of their stuff running on that new phone on day one.


> Microsoft, Blackberry, Palm and Nokia should’ve

They were not cool.

Their phones were not cool. The music services bundled were shit.

What made the iphone cool? no buttons, screen running at 60hz. nice animations.


The original iPhone was amazing to use. Yes on paper the Nokia destroyed it, as my roommate thoroughly tried to convince me, but browsing the web with multitouch was a revelation and just made the Nokia feel like an archaic tool.

The new phone OS destroyed them along with a few features integrated into the original iPhone all the existing companies were caught completelyflat footed and they spent the next three years debating on what they should do and by then it was too late.

The only reason Google and Android took off? Well it didn’t hurt to have a mole/spy Eric Schmidt on the Apple board.


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