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If you saw what goes on in middle school classrooms of native English speakers, I’d think you’d be in for a surprise…

Tell a kernel developer that spin locks aren’t for production code.

Bring a wind turbine with you because the laughing will be quite intense…


Totally fair. I haven’t done much kernel stuff (outside of very basic toy stuff for QEMU).

At the level I work (which is generally server/distributed stuff), I have always used mutexes that are built into the platform.

Or more realistically, if I am the one writing the code, I just avoid mutexes and make my code ridiculously convoluted to do so.


Very different situation as stuff inside the kernel presumably cannot be preeempted at any time. Preemption does a number on spinlocks.

Heh, I lost it myself when reading it, so you're not wrong.

I don’t think lack of regulation is necessarily it.

If I build a robot that murders my neighbor, I’m still at fault.

We don’t absolve drivers of responsibility because of cruise control.

In that sense, AI is nothing new. If it is abused to cause harm, the person behind it should be liable.


If you buy car, someone hacks it, starts it, and drives over someone fully remotely, are you to blame for owning the car? Or the manufacturer? Or the hacker? Or the certification agency for the car security? Or the shell company owning the certification agency?

What if a person physically broke into the car and did the same thing? Clearly they are the one to blame then.

The whole person in the loop is liable is already an outdated concept when decisions are made beyond the persons physical control.


The hacker will be charged as a criminal as a societal deterrent against weaponizing digital systems. The manufacturer and shell companies could have structural liability if found to be negligent and cutting corners or lacked isolated drive-by-wire controls. It's unlikely that the owner would ever be held liable unless they jailbroke their car disabling security systems.

The hacker was a process that was spawned by some subprocesses that were corrupted by other processes and, etc. Check my other comment... The point is that in the physical realm this is already done by having shell of shell of shell companies to avoid taxes and accountability. In the digital realm this is much much cheaper

There's nothing new about any of this liability attachment. You're saying these things like they're novel.

If GM does something (or fails to do something) to their vehicle that causes me to crash, they're liable for the crash.

If someone cuts my brake lines (alters my vehicle) and I crash my car and kill someone, the person that cut the lines is responsible. I have to prove the context of course, and or an investigator has to do so.

And the responsible entity may refuse to pay up, may refuse to take responsibility. None of that is new either.


Well the difference is that in the software realm, you can attach infinite loops of delegation and ownership at close to no cost, which makes this impossible to investigate conclusively.

Let's say that OpenAI used a shell company that hosts server where an agent spun up another agent on instructions from another agent which was corrupted by bit errors from the inference framework which caused some major hack to happen. Its impossible to investigate in the same way as physical issues. What if the model is open-source, who is responsible then? What if it's open source but another process altered the weights?


I am sorry but that’s pure fantasy.

When you say infinite loops, you mean infinite indirection, but obviously no such thing exists, because computer systems, just like other physical things, exist in physical space, not on the astral plane.

Whoever had agency to start the domino effect carries the liability. Doesn’t matter if the model is open source or if you brewed it home. And if you weaponize OpenAI’s models through their servers, it would likely be shared liability. Yours would be malice, theirs would be negligence.


Pure fantasy, yet you see this happen, literally every day, with the hacks, with content theft, etc, no repercussions for anyone.

Which judge will go down the rabbit hole of figuring this out? How will they do it? Will they have people tracing logs over 5000$? And if they do get there, in your fictional world, at some point, after 1 year of investigations and back-and-forth, it's okay, the technology is beyond what it was before, it's not relevant anymore, new technologies and new methods.


That’s really cool! Neat cross of the old tank game with the wireframe graphics and asteroids!

Batttlezone was the tank game.

man, I loved that game.


That’s just under 300kg of gold…

Would be darkly hilarious if they were using the speaker or rear defroster as a cellular antenna.

(Yeah, technically horrible but I’m sure someone will find a way)


Funny enough i was just recently thinking about how most defrosters would probably make a great antenna with minor modifications


They get off the frequency when heated, might not pass FCC testing.

How is Europe similar then?

I’d expect the US spends vastly more energy on transportation (individual vehicles) and housing (larger, more AC, etc)


I suspect they know exactly what they are doing.

And the non-techies who have seen Terminator and other movies blindly line up behind them…


If AI wasn’t a thing would Nvidia be worth 1/10th is current value?

Gaming is lucrative but not THAT lucrative…


The first “computers” were humans…

And they knew they were. The brain's computations are focused on what the brain sees, it's not magic. If someone in the Matrix is a writer, we know what their brain's computing: a book. So if the machines need your brain to compute something specific that they need, you'll know.

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